Agni Understands EVs

UPDATE:  See below… Motorcycle News just pulled the article….

Motorcycle News just published an article about how the winners of 2009’s inaugural TTGXP race on the Isle of Man won’t be back to defend their title unless organizers of the TT Zero change their plans to supply this year’s teams with gasoline-powered generators.  Guy Procter writes:

Team boss Arvind Rabadia says his industry will be made a laughing stock if electric race teams are forced to charge their bikes using generators: “I’ve read that generators are going to be used instead and I’m not happy about it.

“It would only take one photograph of an electric bike being charged from a petrol generator to make a joke of my industry” he says.

Last year, Manx Electric ran a new line to the paddock area which was dedicated to the sole use of the TTXGP racers.  According to the article:

The switch to generators was necessitated by TT organisers’ plans to move the electric competitors away from their newly mains-supplied paddock on the cricket field and integrate them with the rest of the TT field – a paddock area which has no mains electricity supply.

The fact that the IOM/TTZero management were even considering this method of supplying electricity to the teams shows that they have a fundamental lack of understanding of what electric vehicles are all about.  The IOM’s Department of Tourism and Leisure appears to either be set on destroying the nascent sport of electric motorcycle racing or too ignorant to help themselves from destroying it.

UPDATE:

You have to give credit to the spin doctors at IOM, they just issued a statement saying that they NEVER planned to have gasoline generators supplying electricity to any of the paddocks at the IOM.

Given this statement, and the reluctance of the sources of the article to curry disfavor with the TT folks, Motorcycle News pulled the article.

But ask yourself this, discerning reader: Would the CEO of Team Agni fabricate this story?  If it was so easily denied, why would he bring discredit upon himself by alleging that gas-powered generators were planned?  Of course, he would not.  The TT Zero’s response that generators were never going to be used seems highly suspect.

Here’s their statement:

STATEMENT FROM THE ISLE OF MAN GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT OF TOURISM AND LEISURE

Following an article that has been posted on motorcyclenews.com, the Isle of Man Government categorically denies that there was ever any intention to supply teams with petrol generators for the TT Zero race. The Department of Tourism and Leisure is at a loss to understand how this story came about as there has never been any intention to do anything other than provide power supplies by the existing dedicated distribution network.

The TT Zero teams will be situated in Paddock D and will be supplied with electric sockets to charge their bikes from the mains, as is the case with the rest of the TT paddock.

The TT Zero regulations, which were issued on 2nd February 2010, clearly state on page 26, point 16:

Charging from the mains

The machine may be charged from a provided 240 volt single phase supply of 13 Amps maximum. The charging system must be separate from the machine and comply with all electrical safety requirements including thermal overload trip, fusing and be equipped with an earth leakage protection breaker.

We have reassured Team Agni that electric sockets will be used to charge the bikes in the Paddock.

Note that the rules quoted merely provide that “The machine may be charged from a provided 240 volt single phase supply of 13 Amps maximum.”  There is no language prohibiting the use of a gasoline-powered source, such as a generator, providing that electricity.  In fact, other than the statement of intent to  “provide power supplies by the existing dedicated distribution network” there is nothing in this statement assuring Agni that power will come from Manx Electric’s lines.  Even the provision that “electric sockets will be used to charge he bikes in the Paddock” is vague.  Gasoline-powered generators have “electric sockets.”  The “Charging from the mains” subtitle is worthless, absent a definition of the word “mains,” which is not common enough to go without further definition.

In fact… maybe this calls for an update of the TTXGP Technical Rules Wiki

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  1. #1 by rob on February 23, 2010 - 8:05 pm

    This post from Rob Barber (Team Agni), last year’s winner about the MCN writer..

    http://www.iomtt.com/Home/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=1&PostID=190063

    “This Guy Proctor is getting on my T1ts he has not once spoke to me about anything yet he’s an expert on electric racing at the TT. If he had ever been to the TT then he would know it the best paddock in the UK for mains power supply. The Gennies are for the holding area and road.”

  2. #2 by brammofan on February 23, 2010 - 9:47 pm

    It’s certainly possible, yet why would Rabadia agree to be quoted in MCN and make a public stand about this unless he knew something that maybe we don’t?

  3. #3 by mike on February 23, 2010 - 9:50 pm

    “Best paddock in the world” – Rob, you obviously don’t get out much. If you’d said best race then of course, with you on that… but the facilities are pretty rubbish at best of times remember the Manx GP 2009? Does anyone have any photos of paddock D during the rain??

    From what i remember there were at least three power outages last year during the TT in the main paddock – lets hope no-one puts the kettle on while your charging your bike! Hopefully the fall out with TTXGP will at least shame the TT civil servants into pulling their finger out… this was the local reports from the races in September…
    http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/Manx-Grand-Prix-misery-after.5605605.jp
    I’m with you brammofan, Government U-turn to stem more deserved bad press!

  4. #4 by Fred on February 24, 2010 - 1:22 pm

    Where do you think the “mains electricity” comes from ? A Bloody great gas turbine generator no more than a mile down the road. The concept is great but until such time as the power is generated from a renewable source Mr Rabadia cant really complain.

  5. #5 by brammofan on February 24, 2010 - 1:30 pm

    Well, it is a natural gas turbine generator… and the ability to “scrub” the emissions of an electricity generating plant is a lot easier to achieve (and to monitor) then the emissions of a hundred or more portable generators which have few or no controls on their emissions. Plus, the term “mains electricity” doesn’t actually specify that the source of electricity is the electric plant.

  6. #6 by rob on February 24, 2010 - 3:18 pm

    Just to clarify my previous post. I’m not Rob Barber, but another Rob.
    RB’s post said “Best paddock in the UK for mains”, not “Best paddock in the world”

    cheers

  7. #7 by rob on March 7, 2010 - 8:14 pm

    [quote]The IOM’s Department of Tourism and Leisure appears to either be set on destroying the nascent sport of electric motorcycle racing or too ignorant to help themselves from destroying it.[/quote]

    The IOM govt. has given this ‘nascent sport’ full TT status, prize money, 100+mph lap bonus incentive and teams are eligible for financial support.
    You have to pay to enter a TTXGP round!

    [quote]Note that the rules quoted merely provide that “The machine may be charged from a provided 240 volt single phase supply of 13 Amps maximum.” There is no language prohibiting the use of a gasoline-powered source, such as a generator, providing that electricity.[/quote]

    No the rules don’t merely quote this. You conveniently omitted the heading of this paragraph … “Charging from the mains”

    “You have to give credit to the spin doctors at IOM”
    blah, blah,
    “But ask yourself this, discerning reader”
    blah, blah,

    No Harry, you ask yourself.

    If I were you, I would stick to being a Brammo Fan, you’re too transparent to be a TTXGP puppet!

    Rob

  8. #8 by brammofan on March 7, 2010 - 11:16 pm

    Hi Rob!
    Quote: The IOM govt. has given this ‘nascent sport’ full TT status, prize money, 100+mph lap bonus incentive and teams are eligible for financial support.

    Well, that money will be nice, but let’s call it like it is: the taxpayers of IOM are shelling out the dough. The last I heard, TTXGP was not its own territory. Azhar’s just an honest businessman who happens to think that racing drives innovation. Ivar’s already commented on the “full TT status” issue when the race got moved to Wednesday afternoon.

    And I did not “conveniently omit[]” the “charging from the mains” heading. It’s right there. But, as I said in the post, “the mains” is not defined anywhere in the rules and it is vague enough to encompass a line that could originate from a gasoline-powered generator. But I already said all this in the article, which you either did not read carefully or you chose to ignore that key passage. Or maybe you’re getting your marching orders from the IOM?

    I openly admit I’m a Brammofan, a TTXGP fan, an Agni fan, a Vetter fan, a CRP Racing fan, a Mavizen fan, and a whole host of others. I’ve done my due diligence and I like what each of these companies/groups/teams are doing and what they stand for.

    And hey, I’m no puppet. I’m a marionette, and it’s a distinction with a difference.

  9. #9 by Rob Barber on March 15, 2010 - 12:39 pm

    Hi Harry, and a whole host of others eleccy racing fans.

    This is Rob Barber and response to my quote on iomtt.com I did say mains power at the TT is the best in the world and I have been to many top circuits around the world including the likes of Silverstone, Monza, Magny Cours, and Misano. I did not say the TT paddock was the best in the world far from it.

    I think what really happened was the Guy Proctor caught Arvind of guard and ask him his opinion on if petrol generators where used. This was published in another article in MCN not IOM goverment. Hopefully Guy won’t get his head lines anymore as we have Chris agni PR guy.

    Strange how Guy hasn’t published some factual info like we are deffinatly doing the TT Zero race. He isn’t helping the TTxGP, FIM, IOM, and ACU thing with none factual info this is damaging the sport. I’m just glad my team have a clear direction and are focusing on winning

    • #10 by rob on March 16, 2010 - 8:56 pm

      Hi Rob, made up that Agni, you and Jenny are in for 2010.
      Met with Cedric, Arvind, Hasmuk and the Tork India boys for curry in the tent last year.
      Good grass roots atmosphere.
      Best wishes for the season.

      Rob

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